Israel's No-Win Standoff: Fallout Either Way: Nuclear or Political

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newsblaze.com — Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran, has said clearly and repeatedly that his mission in life is to complete Adolph Hitler's mission of killing all Jews plus he wants to wipe the state of Israel from the face of the earth. To accomplish that end, he in

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  1. The article says the Iranian President has 'clearly and repeatedly' expressed 'that his mission in life is to complete Adolph Hitler's mission of killing all Jews'.

    Firstly where is the evidence of that then?

    Secondly Ahmadinejad is a nut, some of his rhetoric has been very wayward (but not what he is being accused of here) but he is a none argument. His party only took 88 seats out of 260 in the recent government elections, he faces a Presidential election next year in which he is set to get battered. Meanwhile IAEA inspectors are still in Iran and whilst Iran remains a member of the NPT all its enrichment is being monitored. The IAEA have said that all of it is below 5% (weaponisation would require around 95%) and that they have seen no evidence of an active nuclear weapons programme.

    •Ahmadinejad is a none argument (the Iranian people have it covered)......even if he has said what he is being accused of here (he has not)
    •The nuclear argument is a none argument.

    Diplomacy through the IAEA and the two negotiation packages is making headway. There is no need for war.

    P.S. Derivative any chance of an answer to the question on the MiddleEast and Terrorism thread. Thanks.
    I've put it in the related articles.

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  3. @JPress

    If you are insinuating that I am a holocaust denier then you are wrong. The evidence for it is staggering and it was one of the great attrocities of the 20th century.

    The evidence that Ahmadinejad wants to finish what Hitler started. It is a campaign based on phoney translation and deliberate manipulation to war.

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  4. @Albionshores

    Seems your pretty good at getting comments deleted. Wonderful Freedom of speech
    at its finest.

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  5. Israel is and always has been the greatest modern-day threat to middle east stability.
    If only the US would butt out and stop giving them money to buy weapons and shield them from ANY UN criticism then things might change, but until that day its just going to get worse.
    Just because as a people the Jews were once treated very badly, DOES NOT give them the right to do exactly the same to others.
    Unfortunately with their puppets in the US Government doing whats in the best interest for Israel instead of America they can essentially do what the hell they want with impunity.

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  6. @BanMaster

    Your long on jargon and have no facts. Basically we can see your position is
    based on pure unadulterated misguidance.

    If you would do any research or know your history the U.S. didn't really become
    involved with Israel until 1973,

    Israel is on the front lines of the global Islamofascist Jihad, that will next engulf
    the entire world.

    Your misplaced sense of anger should be directed at the over 60 Muslim nations that
    have led the world into this precarious situation.

    Your saying that the Jews are treating others badly is just another ploy by the Arabs to
    sacrifice their own as part of that Jihad.

    History must be recalled.

    There was never any Palestine or Palestinians and until Egypt and Jordan
    let the territories out of their grasp b/c 7 Arab armies lost a war to try and destroy Israel in 67.

    The Arabs then weren't screaming for a homeland called Palestine were they? You know
    why they weren't? Because Arab Palestinians are from Egypt and Syria.

    Study your history.

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  7. @DerivativeRe

    ►"Seems your pretty good at getting comments deleted. Wonderful Freedom of speech
    at its finest."

    You don't seem to understand what free speech is. Free Speech does not mean you (in this case Jpress) should not be held accountable for your speech - it just means that you should be free to say it and be accountable for those actions. That and Mixx is a business - it has terms of use. Just as it would be deemed inappropriate for somebody to shout obscenties outside somebody's bedroom window at 4 in the morning or as a shopkeeper would be within their rights to remove somebody from their premises.....Free Speech does not mean being able to say what you want, where you want without consequence. This isn't a modern interpretation....it has always meant that.

    Jpress made some remarks contrary to the Terms of Use. That was his choice.
    He was responsible for his comments just as you are for yours and we all are for our own.

    Generally people do not have the issue that DerivativeRe, Jpress experience of having comments/threads deleted. They articulate their own points of view, substantiate their claims and are respectful of Mixx's Terms of Use and its users. Their comments are left in situ.

    Regarding your comments to Banmaster;
    •"global Islamofascist Jihad, that will next engulf the entire world."
    •"Your.....anger should be directed at the over 60 Muslim nations that have led the world into this precarious situation."

    Combined with your manipulation of history there is nothing one needs to add to that. It is not others that are angry. Banmaster is saying the US just needs to back off and stop getting involved, to stop shielding Israel and allow it to be seen as part of the Middle East and not an extension of Western Policy.

    The 22 state Arab League offered to recognise Israel and to work with them towards a normalising of relations. Iran has recently offered through the IAEA a negotiation package to help arbitrate a peaceful outcome to both Palestine and Israel.

    The appearing economic influence of Russia and China are going to become increasingly more evident in the region. So will in some context trade agreements with the EU. Israel in not going to have the superpower autonomy of the US but that does not mean that Israel is doomed. Far from it. It may even be a situation which forces issues to be addressed peacefully with accountability as argued by Dominique Moisi, one of Europe's leading geo-strategic thinkers and founder of the French Institute for International Affairs.

    But as for recognising Palestine - sorry but the majority of the world does. History too is littered with maps showing 'Palestine'. What the emergence of this new international presence it does mean that as pay off for peace and normalising relations Israel may well have to finally recognise Palestine and get on with her neighbours.

    I can see why somebody who warns of "global Islamofascist Jihad" and tells others to get angry at "over 60 Muslim nations that have led the world into this precarious situation" might not want to get on with Arab states or to recognise Palestine like the majority of the world does. But that does not mean that such an argument is rooted in reality.

    It is not.
    It is rooted in paranoia and prejudice.

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/moisi30
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/29/AR2007032902337_pf.html
    http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL2057323.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Palestine-recognition-map.png

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  8. @Albionshores

    Nice spin.

    You lecturing others on bending rules is absurd if not laughable.

    The alleged Arab League offer was contingent didn't involve Israel's negotiation but
    was a take it or leave it communique demanding that Israel make territorial concessions
    before the Arabs nations, sans Egypt and Jordan--would allegedly recognize Israel.

    Not much of a negotiation nor an admission of Israel's existence.

    Your stating that the world "recognizes" "Palestine" is a non-starter.

    No such entity exist. Now one could argue that the Iraqi Kurds have the right
    not only to autonomy and statehood but the Muslims and Arabs deny them that
    right.

    Yeah history is littered with maps, and countries come and go.

    So? What's your point? Show me legal title and deed as to this alleged
    "Palestine."

    Yeah them pesky facts get in your way yet once again. There is none.

    The closest you'll find is what Israel gave to the Palestinian Arabs vis-a-vis
    the Wye and the Oslo accords.

    The Palestinian Arabs abrogated those agreements by starting war when they
    were given Israel's lands and the PA legitimacy.

    Again resorting to the old reverse "paranoia and prejudice."

    We are told that there is a difference between extremist Islam and peaceloving normal Islam.

    Judging by their behavior, Muslims are anti-West, anti-Democracy, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Buddhist, and anti-Hindu. Muslims are involved in 25 of some 30 conflicts going on in the world: in Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Congo, Cote d'Ivoire, Cyprus, East Timor, India, Indonesia (2 provinces), Kashmir, Kazakastan, Kosovo, Kurdistan, Macedonia, the Middle East, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Somalia, Sudan, Russia-Chechnya, Tajikistan, Thailand, Uganda and Uzbekistan.

    Doesn't this mean that extremist Islam is the norm and normal Islam is extremely rare?

    "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.

    "For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." (PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

    The total for all the 22 Arab League countries is 6,145,389 square miles (SM). By comparison, all 50 states of the United States have a total of 3,787,318 SM. Israel has 8,463 SM, about one-sixth of that of the State of Michigan. Iran, Turkey, Pakistan and Afghanistan are Muslim but not Arab and are not included.

    World Arab population: 300 million; World Jewish population: 13.6 million; Israel's Jewish population: 5.4 million. (reference: Dr. Wilbert Simkovitz,

    http://dehai.org/archives/dehai_news_archive/ apr04/0223.htmldehai.org/ archives/dehai_news_archive/apr04/0223.html)

    "There are Muslim moderates. Islam itself is not moderate." (Ibn Warraq, author of Why I am Not a Muslim.)

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    • jdow jdow
    • added 2 months ago

    @DerivativeRe
    You wrote: "Israel is on the front lines of the global Islamofascist Jihad, that will next engulf
    the entire world."

    Things are looking bleak for the world, but the solution isn't to drop more bombs -- it's to defuse the problem before it gets worse. The world probably won't be able to handle a WW3.

    Ahmadinejad is probably on the way out.

    Don't forget that the USA's involvement with intentionally fueling radical Islam to contain the USSR. Where do you think Saddam got his "weapons of mass destruction?"

    The story isn't a simple as you are telling it.

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  10. @DerivativeRe

    Then rather than calling names, or getting racist against 60 countries just because they're Muslim how about some evidence (and if you want to carry on doing that then fine - its a rod for your own back.....you just got through a post slanting the 22 arab state league offer straight after telling people to get angry with arab states. Clearly to other people you're not rational on the subject.)?

    Evidence that provides a reason for war. You'll have to bring something new to the table mind.....something that the IAEA don't know when it comes to the nuclear issue.

    •The IAEA have been gathering evidence and they say there is no reason to attack and that they have seen no evidence of an active nuclear weapons programme.
    •Something new when it comes to arguing they are fuelling the insurgency in Iraq. US arms inspectors say they have seen nothing to indicate that.
    •Something new if you're going to argue the Ahmadinejad angle. He took a battering in the gov elections and faces the presidentials next year. A none argument that the Iranian people have covered.

    So in a warped anti-Islamic mind you say it is I that am manipulating things, even though we know that you're not passing muster. Here you go, this is your chance, your argument to war.

    Go for it.......
    You have the thread....

    Evidence for war by DerivativeRe:

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  11. @Albionshores

    Racist? I see the global war against radical Islam is being racist?

    LMAO

    Is that the only few disengenous come-backs you have that
    you recycle on every post that I have debunked.

    You have it wrong--it is Iran that wishes to, among other radical
    Arab and Musilm regimes, wage war against the West.

    You can label and categorize it any way you want, as you do falsely, but
    the Global Jihad is spreading, and your trying to deflect the reality of it.

    Your irrational covering for a regime that kills people in the hundreds everyday
    to maintain absolute control in Iran.

    That's insane.

    Maybe you should participate more with your friends anti-Zionism
    site here at Mixx just like the "Ahmadinejad angle."

    That's horrific hate and war-mongering that you defend and support.

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  12. @DerivativeRe

    ►"Racist? I see the global war against radical Islam is being racist?"

    Only that is not what you just said, is it? You said,

    "global Islamofascist Jihad, that will next engulf the entire world.....anger should be directed at the over 60 Muslim nations that have led the world into this precarious situation."

    AND STILL YOU BRING NO EVIDENCE!

    Once more:
    You'll have to bring something new to the table mind.....something that the IAEA don't know when it comes to the nuclear issue.

    •The IAEA have been gathering evidence and they say there is no reason to attack and that they have seen no evidence of an active nuclear weapons programme.
    •Something new when it comes to arguing they are fuelling the insurgency in Iraq. US arms inspectors say they have seen nothing to indicate that.
    •Something new if you're going to argue the Ahmadinejad angle. He took a battering in the gov elections and faces the presidentials next year. A none argument that the Iranian people have covered.

    So in a warped anti-Islamic mind you say it is I that am manipulating things, even though we know that you're not passing muster. Here you go, this is your chance, your argument to war.

    Go for it.......
    You have the thread....

    We're waiting......
    .....
    .....
    Take it away.....

    Evidence for war by DerivativeRe:

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    • jdow jdow
    • added 2 months ago

    @DerivativeRe
    You wrote:
    "it is Iran that wishes to, among other radical Arab and Musilm regimes, wage war against the West."

    You're oversimplifying things. You can't lump all Muslims together. That is why we are in a mess in Iraq. Iran is not an Arab country. Central Asia is Muslim, but they aren't typically anti-Israel. Turkey is Muslim and has relations with Israel.

    The US has been meddling in Iran since the 1950s, including overthrowing their government. The US provided weapons of mass destruction to Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Things like that obviously fuel anti-Americanism in Iran. It's not as simple as "Ahmadinejad is an idiot so we need to drop bombs on Iran as soon as possible." If the US bombs Iran, it's going to increase the spread of radical Islam, just like the Iraq War has done.

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  14. @jdow

    You're oversimplifying reality, facts, and evidence.

    I fail to comprehend how you tie an alleged situation in the 1950' to today's multi-pronged Islamic Jihad against the west.

    Nowhere do I condemn all Muslims, in fact they are being used and manipulated by their regimes.

    I'm not talking about Iraq you are. It's not that Achmadinejad "is an idiot" but he and the rest of the Ayatoallah's are the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world and are currently developing nuclear weapons that they intend to use.

    Does that bother you? Or do you conveniently wish to ignore reality?

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    • jdow jdow
    • added 2 months ago

    @DerivativeRe
    "they are being used and manipulated by their regimes."

    ...as you are by yours :)

    Do you think it was a good idea to invade Iraq?

    Something has to be done about Iran, but bombing first before trying other options is going to make terrorism worse. Invading Iraq has made terrorism worse.

    What is the solution? A war to end all wars? We should be looking for ways to end the problems peacefully.

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  16. Still waiting.....

    You have the thread....

    We're waiting......
    .....
    .....
    Take it away.....

    Evidence for war by DerivativeRe:

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