Don't touch! Will rule make kids feel safer? view story

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1. • jdow

   This is going too far.

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2. • yoda

   this is twisted

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3. • kdfrawg

   WTF! What is the matter with these idiots? At what point will people figure out that common sense is worth more than all these wackos combined?

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4. • yoda

   @kdfrawg do you think a phantom hand is behind this kind of thing, to keep people seperated, therefore easier to control and manipulate? it seems like ever year in America things like this go a little further in keeping people apart.

   you know, "divide and conquer"...that sort of thing?

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5. • kdfrawg

   @yoda - It has been going on even longer the Dubya, but I think maybe there is a movement of some kind, working to divide and polarize. It does make a people easier to control. Ask Stalin. But is it organized, or just the manipulative nature of some people, and those type of people just tend to seek and gain power?

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6. • yoda

   @kdfrawg good question..i've wondered about that for a long time..is there some kind of "Trilateral Commission" "NWO" or whatever? are the RedShields REALLY worth several (even 100s) of Trillions of dollars? and what about the "lizards" or whatever.

   it's hard not to be paranoid, but you make a good argument, or at least question, about the true nature of certain people that just kind of gain power that way?

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7. • yoda

   @kdfrawg i've been thinking of a novel for some time. the main idea will be that a group of E.T.s (aliens) are just preparing us for harvest or enslavement. you have to admit that it could be true, when you look at what is currently occurring...i mean what will be left in 50 years, but a bunch of fat humans living in some kind of AC'ed structures to survive the destroyed ecosystem?

   did you ever see that TZ episode "To Serve Man".....

   "Don't Go!! It's a cook book!!!"

   whatdyathink?

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8. • kdfrawg

   I know it sounds weird. Did you ever read the Foundation series by Asimov? The science of psychometrics featured there makes a wonderful case for there being a certain impetus to the gradual motions of society, a momentum shaped by all of the individuals acting as a whole. It really could be that we are just living in an age of anal-retentive control freaks, sort of a majority of the Cheneys.

   Wow, now that I've written that down it scare the hell out of me.

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9. • kdfrawg

   @yoda - The trends of history repeat quite a lot. This is all very Stalin-esque. It's hard to see clearly into the morass of the present, but I wonder if this is a little bit the way it felt in Germany in 1934?

   To blend subjects a bit, I wonder if the aliens ate all the obese humans if it would solve the global warming problem once and for all? ;o)

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10. • yoda

    @kdfrawg no i haven't really read Asimov, yet. he's on the (very long) to-do list.

    I've been reading P.K. Dick like there is no tomorrow (which there may not be!) lately..i've read about 1/3 or more. Dick is quite talented.

    that's an interesting theory. all the good SF writers are full of them, and they often are based in real insights (i suspect often insights a la Lewis Carroll, e.g. from entheogenic experiences, eh?)

    if people stopped eating cows and pigs it would help on all fronts, although i'm guilty of that too. but yeah, something will have to give eventually.

    i do need to study the past more, that's for sure. it is typically very colored by the victors (recall the burning of Alexandria, not to mention the destruction of the Tibetan Libraries, and so on, and on.)

    the more stuff gets online, and backed up, the better chance we have, don't you agree?

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11. • kdfrawg

    @yoda - I hope we do get it all online ASAP, but I have to wonder how fragile that is. It's not like rocks with letters carved into them. Should we all die out next week, will the aliens that come be able to figure out how to read our hard drives? I love SF. I have written one SF novel, which is not at all the same thing as selling it, and I'm about to start another one. I just guess I have some books in me that want out. ;o)

    But it is absolutely amazing how right some of the early science fiction writer were about some thing, and just as amazing is what they got wrong! I grew up on Asimov, Pohl, Heinlein, etc. in the fifties. I'm not much of a fantasy fan, mainly just hard science fiction, although I have manager to collect the last loooooong series by C. J. Cherryh, which could arguably be considered fantasy in some ways.

    So many books, so little time!

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12. • yoda

    @kdfrawg i actually think our simple codes like ASCII could be deciphered by anyone with the time and energy to do so, and clearly our devices would be simple to someone that could travel the kind of distances involved in getting here, at least i would think.

    then again, distance may not be what it seems, and light speed has already been broken in labs...plus there is Bell's Theorem which has seemingly been proven as well. so i could be wrong.

    i was saying that having the books available would help humans, actually, though.

    i don't really read fantasy either much, but i do like historical fiction some. there is this book called Aztec that i highly recommend to everybody.

    i know, i could read the books that are kind of on my list for years, and some i'm sure i'd want to read several times. but lately, social news has me more interested...tidbits of this, that, and the other.

    things are speeding up for humanity, and i guess i'm caught up in the tide.

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13. • kdfrawg

    @yoda - Oh, you bet, having actual books to work with would be ideal. Remove the engineering / electronics problem from the mix and you're down to a puzzle, and any race who got here, regardless of lihght speed, would have to be good at puzzles. ;o) I agree that there is probably some way around the light speed thing. After all, it's only a law because we're calling it a law, no?

    And, boy, you're right about things speeding up. It's speeding up and I'm almost certainly slowing down, from the research that I read. That's a bad combination!

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14. • yoda

    @kdfrawg yes, i think all "theories" of physics are just location based, subjective, generalizations. the very idea of a Law is kind of ludicrious, i really thing. there are tendencies, perhaps.

    i know for that the 2nd(?) law of thermodynamics is wrong..otherwise we wouldn't even be here...

    you don't seem slow to me, you are one of the brightest people on here, i think.

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15. • kdfrawg

    @yoda - I'm just good a faking it. ;o)

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16. • yoda

    @kdfrawg although that's not true, Google and Wikipedia are in the process of making Geniuses of anyone who cares..and sites like this one can't hurt (or can they?..hmmm)

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17. • kdfrawg

    @yoda - I firmly believe that sites like this are part of the solution. Mixx and StumbleUpon and all the others expose people to many things that they would not otherwise know about. Yes, I know that is just getting the horse to the water and it has to make up its own mind about drinking, but getting the material in front of them is half the battle. Smarter people are better people.

    That genius thing is funny. It's been following me around for over fifty years, ever since I answered every single question in the Iowa Tests correctly two years in a row. The "experts" put their heads together and determined that I had an "effective IQ" that was north of 200. Ever since that fateful day, the "experts" have labeled me as an underachiever and I have gone nuts trying to figure out why I am so damned stupid so much of the time if I am so damned smart. The only answers that I have come up with is that the "experts" are missing some critical information and "genius" is not all it's cracked up to be. ;o)

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18. • yoda

    @kdfrawg you gotta be kidding...i thought only Einstein was over 200, like ever.

    you know that he couldn't really tie his shoelaces.

    there are different types of intelligence, many different types.

    i was told i was in the 99th percentile myself at an early age, but i don't know if that was good or not.

    i do believe that smart people are lazy, because they are smart. i love to use my brain, but i hate it when it becomes work, you know?

    i actually love programming computers, but could never handle the "schedule" the "office politics (read: assholes)" and all that shit. i'd love to find some work that i could do whenever, wherever, but that is quite a bit harder then "they" would have you believe. so therefore, to hell with it.

    genius has no interest in 9-5 and going against the intelligence of the body (that wants to sleep all day!!) or is that just me?

    clearly Social Media introduces people to so much...have you seen the Tibetan Sky Burial video? man, that is just awesome.

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19. • kdfrawg

    @yoda - They say they have measured people way up into the 400s. My contention is that I was really good at taking tests. In some ways, that's a good life skill. In other ways, it's worthless. I'm pretty sure the "IQ" tests, like the Stanford-Binet they were using at that time, are pretty badly flawed. Like I said, if I'm so smart, why have I spent sixty years making all these stupid mistakes. Maybe I needed to find a profession where you took tests every day. Hey, wait I was a programmer / analyst! That about what we did!

    Like you, I could not do the corporate life. There was just too much bullshit. My degree is in Management, so that was Yet Another Bozo Mistake. So I backed into programming, and did that as an independent consultant for 30 years or so. That worked for me. I just stayed outside the politics. If the politics came to me, I finished up ASAP and found another gig.

    The internet, to me, is the ultimate learning experience. I can, if I want, just submerge myself in knowledge and opinions whenever I want for as long as I want. Life for me now is absolutely awesome. There is SO much to learn and I have the time. My only regret is that the time is finite, and eventually I'm going to have to stop learning because I'm dead. That sucks, I guess, but I'll take what I can get. ;o)

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