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1. • Albionshores

   There's a danger of people being premature here:
   "The contents of the response have not been made public."

   But both negotiation packages call for talks and discussions to negotiate.....and that is what they are now doing. Importantly China, US, Russia, France, the UK and Germany have all identified that Iran does have a right to enrich and that whilst Iran is a member of the NPT all enrichment is able to be monitored and made sure that none of it can be used in weaponisation. Nothing which Iran has enriched so far is in excess of 5% much too low for a nuclear weapon (it makes no difference how much 5%enriched Uranium a country has, a kilo or a hundred tonnes, it is the level of enrichment that poses the potential threat.) None of it can be used for a weaponisation programme, the IAEA has seen no evidence of such a programme being active and such a programme could not be run whilst Iran remains a member of the NPT.

   Nuclear programme remains unchanged? Jolly good....no risk so far then keep up with the negotiations. No change means low enrichment of a few dozen centrifuges and no risk.

   P.S.
   Any chance of an answer on the other thing Derivative?

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2. • Albionshores

   The other thing being the ElBaradei Memri Video location:
   See related articles.

   Cheers.

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4. • Albionshores

   @DerivativeRe

   I noticed regarding your nytimes quote you started it a bit late. Had you started your quote a paragraph earlier it would have included,

   "the response, in a letter by Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, said Iran would be willing to open a comprehensive negotiation with Javier Solana, the European Union foreign policy chief, and the six world powers involved in confronting Iran’s nuclear ambitions. It did not specifically address any of the proposals they presented to it last month."

   It is a acceptance to open negotiation!

   ►"Lastly, I've already responded to your request/s and those are on the record. Your giggles and laughs by saying that MEMRI is biased and that al-Jazeera is not."

   Only I never said that did I. I said, "Memri presents itself as unbiased news translation service where in fact it is nothing of the sort. Al-Jazeera makes no pretenses about what it is. It is an Arabic News Agency." That is not to say Al-Jazeera is without bias. What news agency is. Only Al-Jazeera is transparent where it is coming from - MEMRI is not......

   .....BUT THAT IS NOT WHERE THAT THREAD ENDED IS IT?
   IT ENDED WITH YOU SAYING:

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   DerivativeRe added about 19 hours ago
   @Albionshores
   I provided you with a video of Dr. ElBaradei discussing the fact that
   Iran could make a nuclear bomb in a year and you dismissed it because
   the source was MEMRI.

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   Only you did not post the video of El-Baradei - THE USER 'JPRESS' DID!
   So, 'flag on play!', why are you remembering somebody else's submissions/comments as being your own?

   http://www.mixx.com/stories/641338/middle_east_and_terrorism_the_iranian_shell_game

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6. • Albionshores

   @DerivativeRe
   Only that is not what the submission says is it.
   It says, "The contents of the response have not been made public" and the NewYork Times article you then referenced states, "Iran would be willing to open a comprehensive negotiation."

   The package offered to Iran actually states that the signatories; Russia, the US, China, France, the UK and Germany are also willing to negotiate their package and the package offered by Iran. The Eu and the 6 powers said they recognised Iran's right to enrich but asked them to hold the programme for 6 weeks and to help them build confidence in the nature of their programme. Iran re-stated its right to enrich and its willingness to develop international confidence and a willingness to negotiate. This is the negotiation bit - neither side has to accept all points out of hand.....they instead NEGOTIATE.

   See related articles.

   ►"Al-Jazeera is notorious for repeating clips, showing one sided coverage, and doing a lot
   within their power to influence their mostly 100% Arab and Islamic audience."

   Again I did not state what you have claimed. I said Al-Jazeera does not hide what it is. An Arabic News Agency. Memri does hide what it is. Your poor reading comprehension or being intentionally obtuse? Either or it is not the issue at hand.......

   ►"Again, I posted up the MEMRI ElBaradei video where it is I can't recall. You have had your fair share of getting a few things pulled by management around here."

   Well that's simply not true is it. I don't have a problem with the Mixx admins and they don't pull my stuff. I've not had a single warning or a single submission pulled from Mixx. What you did do is say is that you submitted an article when in fact it was another user. AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME SUCH A THING HAS HAPPENED.

   http://www.mixx.com/stories/641338/middle_east_and_terrorism_the_iranian_shell_game
   http://www.mixx.com/stories/289525/mixx_com_commenters_viciously_anti_semitic_mixx_com_management_not_taking_sides_on_this_issue_the_posthumous_luger

   But the point remains:

   •The Nuclear argument is a none argument to war - negotiation, a NPT and zero evidence of an active weapons programme.
   
   •The Ahmadinejad argument is a none argument to war. Facing a presidential election and a poor show in gov elections. The Iranian people have it covered.

   •There has been no evidence stand up to scrutiny that Iran is providing arms to the insurgency in Iraq.

   And here we have a thread that shows that negotiation is still very much an open door and both sides are stepping through it.

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7. • Albionshores

   @DerivativeRe
   ""Again, I posted up the MEMRI ElBaradei video where it is I can't recall. You have had your fair share of getting a few things pulled by management around here."

   I find it hilarious that your defence to gaming Mixx is that admins have to remove your stuff on a regular basis. LOL....

   But anyway I've added the negotiation offered by the six nations to the related articles. I've also added the Iranian negotiation package too.

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8. • mortalwind

   Good God you two! I think I'm going to start drinking more if thats possible.

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10. • Albionshores

    I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU JUST HAS THE AUDACITY TO SAY:

    "What is giggles and laughs is that you stalk my submissions and resort to half-truths, distortions,
    disingenuous arguments to hide your true agenda."

    AND THEN STRAIGHT AFTER IT YOU SAY:

    "All Western Nations are in agreement that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. They are divided on how to deal with it."

    LOL! No....no they're not, not by a long shot. In fact the IAEA has said that it has seen NO EVIDENCE of an active nuclear weapons programme. NONE.

    And then you attack the fact finders because their findings, the evidence, does not support your agenda........

    What do you propose. Using a magical 8 ball or chicken bones in a joo-joo bag?

    Meanwhile
    ►No evidence of an active nuclear weapons programme. All nuclear material accounted for and level of enrichment observed to be well under 5% - much too low for weaponisation.
    ►Iran expressing a willingness to discuss a diplomatic way forward with the power6 through the EU.
    ►The Ahmadiejad argument is a none argument. 88 seats out of a possible 260 in recent gov poll he faces a Presidential election next year.
    ►US arms Inspectors and British Generals and MPs, along with the Iraqi government, have said that there is zero evidence that Iranian arms are being provided to the Iraqi insurgency.

    Now....you want to contest that - then provide some evidence that the Iraqi Gov, the IAEA inspectors, US arms inspectors don't know. Otherwise you're just being superstitious. And that's fine. Your call......but it is certainly no reason to go to war.

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11. • Albionshores

    ►"to hide your true agenda"

    What that I am against war? There's no subterfuge on that part, I am against war.

    I denounce attacks on Iran, Israel, Tibet, Palestine, the occupation of Iraq, ...., etc., etc.

    It is a principle.
    I denounce war.

    I recognise and empower the individual and in that sense libertarian reform (academic concept of libertarianism that is). Attacking Iran would have a negative effect on the reform movement, as it stands the reformists and moderates in Iran are taking Ahmadinejad to the polls and kicking him - even the Republic is addressing him through a populist movement, still loyal to the republic, but denouncing his wayward rhetoric.

    Not only is there no legitimate platform to war it will be bad for the emancipation of reform and it would be bad for the region, Israel, those allied forces in the region and last but not least - the economy. Attack and radicalise and undermine the NPT actively contributing to proliferation.

    Discuss, negotiate and debate and radicalisation is maligned.

    If that is an 'agenda' then it is one I identify with and I certainly do not hide it. I'd scream it from the roof tops if I thought it'd help.

    I denounce acts of war.

    Can you say the same?

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13. • Albionshores

    @DerivativeRe

    And I quote, a Derivative-bestowed poet none the less, Albionshores:

    "....provide some evidence that the Iraqi Gov, the IAEA inspectors, US arms inspectors don't know. Otherwise you're just being superstitious. And that's fine. Your call......but it is certainly no reason to go to war."

    Evidence dear sir, evidence. Evidence that the IAEA or US Arms Inspectors or the Iraqi government or British Generals and MPs or US Joint Chiefs don't know of....

    Evidence, to war please.
    Because the evidence to the contrary states:

    ►No evidence of an active nuclear weapons programme. All nuclear material accounted for and level of enrichment observed to be well under 5% - much too low for weaponisation.
    ►Iran expressing a willingness to discuss a diplomatic way forward with the power6 through the EU.
    ►The Ahmadiejad argument is a none argument. 88 seats out of a possible 260 in recent gov poll he faces a Presidential election next year.
    ►US arms Inspectors and British Generals and MPs, along with the Iraqi government, have said that there is zero evidence that Iranian arms are being provided to the Iraqi insurgency.

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14. • exMixxer

    why the hell they do dat....
    neways nice info

    Already voted for your story

    Have a gr8 time around

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