President Bush pardons himself against potential war crimes view video

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1. • phnx0221

   Well if that isn't a sign of a man who knows he's guilty I don't know what is. Rat bastard.

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2. • exMixxer

   Are you kidding me? The argument for leaving the country just gets better and better, Greg.

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3. • exMixxer

   @phnx0221

   Rat Bastard doesn't even begin to cover it.

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4. • cGt2099

   @WeasleyChick
   About bloody time you showed up here

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5. • cGt2099

   Oi
   BTW
   WeasleyChick is me missus
   Be nice, everyone
   Or I'll turn into the Hulk

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6. • phnx0221

   @weasleychick
   my favorite (not so much), was when he passed the American Servicemember´s Protection Act in 2003 which effectively immunized all US citizens from prosecution in the International Crimes Court. This was shortly after the war in Iraq started. This administration never ceases to amaze me with their ability to cover their tracks. The only thing that is surprising, is that at this point, they're becoming much more open about it...as if they are growing less concerned (obviously with accountability). I just hope that we do not allow this to become a precedent for any other high officials to get away with such acts without any accountability.

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7. • cGt2099

   @phnx0221
   Don't forget the John Warner Defense Act of 2007. That gives the president the power to declare both martial law (all the way from the federal level down to tribal levels) and emergency powers. Palpatine, much?

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8. • exMixxer

   @phnx0221

   yeah, that was a "high point" in his career, wasn't it? The citizens of this country have gotten so apathetic about the government it is not surprise to me that he gets away with this kind of stuff. And I am afraid that his actions are going to do exactly what you are saying, set precedents for the next administration. Effin' boggles the mind, doesn't it?

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9. • exMixxer

   @cGt2099

   yeah well, it takes me longer to get around to things, doesn't it?

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10. • phnx0221

    @weasleychick and cgt2099

    man, this guy has put more signing statements on bills then any other president in US history (I forget if it was combined, or just in history - either way it's atrocious). It is incredibly frustrating that our country is so apathetic. Yet, there seems to be much more ferocity with regard to this election, and with regard to general discussions with politics. It's a good thing, that it's become "trendy" to hate Bush, although my real concern with this election, is that people will buy into the same old bullshit they did before (petty name calling, dressed up politicians, avoidance of real issues that face the country, and the rest of the world - regardless of what side of the political spectrum you're on), and elect someone like Hillary (who has the highest amount of defense campaign contributions) or Huckabee (which, in essence, would be the same thing as voting Bush into office all over again).

    Ugh... yeah. It boggles the mind. :) You hit the nail on the head when you said rat bastard didn't even cover it. Sadly, we could go on and on. I just hope we keep remembering how much of our rights, and common decency has been eroded during the last seven years, and don't allow our next president to forget about it either.

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11. • Ymme

    I just have to keep reminding myself that there's only one more year of this nonesense... let's hope...

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12. • Hotfuzz

    Let me just interject if I may. I did vote this submission down, here's why. Lets just look for a moment at the literal makeup of the dirt in the so-called dirty work mentioned here. The men detained by the US in this instance are murderers, serial killers if you like that phrase better. Men that would kill and have killed innocent women and children, not to mention many of our armed forces which happen to be our neighbors, brothers, cousins, fathers and so on. Opinions aside, whether you believe our armed forces should be in Iraq and Afgan. or not, these "detainees" are murderous bastards. It is they that should be tried and hung for their crimes again humanity, not our own god damned President!

    Please help me understand how you can hate President Bush so much that you blind yourselves from the reality of why President Bush is doing what he is doing. This man, as elected leader of this country, watched helplessly as the events of 9-11 unfolded. What red blooded American in his shoes wouldn't have said "Nobody comes to my house and blows shit up, it's time to kick some ass!"?

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13. • exMixxer

    And what happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? The detainees have never been given a fair trial. So their alleged crimes have yet to be proven. You state they should be tried and hung...well though I am no proponent of capital punishment, lets do that. Let them have legal representation and let them go to trial.

    And as far as Dubya being an "elected leader," well that is a matter of perception, isn't it?

    The idiot has run my beloved country into the ground during his time as president and now that his time has come to an end he is busily practicing a policy of CYA for himself and his cronies.

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14. • Hotfuzz

    @WeasleyChick
    Oh come on... You know as well as I do that the US legal system is not meant for that type of trial. There is no way a jury could get the whole story because of classified military action plans and so forth. The fact of the matter is that they haven't been tried because we are using them to get information. I say as long as they are not getting bamboo shoots shoved under their fingernails or getting their testicals zapped that reasonable means should be used to get the needed info. Lets be realistic here. The fact of the matter is that we will never know how many attacks have been prevented because of the info gained from those captured terrorists. The info gained from those men is classified therefore there is a high possibility that the info gained has prevented more attacks on US soil. Last time I checked there has not been another attack on US soil since 9-11, I would say President Bush must be doing something right. But most of you guys don't want to here that because you just hate him anyway, am I wrong?

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15. • nabiy

    Everyone should be accountable for their actions. Passing legislation to avoid that accountability after we have demanded accountability for Saddam and others for similar charges is hypocritical and just wrong. All of this undercuts any moral authority we might claim and I hope the democrats have enough courage to try to undo all of this. - nabiy

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16. • cGt2099

    @Hotfuzz
    It doesn't matter whether we hate him or love him, Fuzz. The administration under his watch has violated the constitution numerous times (read the Patriot Act, and have a look at how Habaeus Corpus being suspended). The United States signed the treaty obligations for the Geneva Conventions; and it is up to the nation's respective leader(s) to observe them. Neither the constitution nor the conventions have been weighed into consideration during this guy's two terms.

    & yes, there hasn't been another attack on US soil since 9/11 (excluding the Anthrax scares from the same year), but there are ways in which we can protect America and American lives WITHOUT torture and WITHOUT giving up civil liberties.

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17. • exMixxer

    @nabiy

    I certainly hope that will happen, however I have lost faith in the political system and that they will be able to or even want to undo the damage that has been done.

    How do we take a moral stance against injustices in the world when our own President exhibits no morals.

    And, honestly, if he feels he has done nothing wrong why is he busily pushing through legislation that will prevent him from being held accountable for his actions. That entire administration knows what they have done and continue to do is reprehensible. the very fact that we are having this conversation is proof of that.

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18. • cGt2099

    No president, or any other leader in any other country for that matter, should be exempt from accountability. Period.

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19. • nabiy

    "There is no way a jury could get the whole story because of classified military action plans and so forth."
    Part of the problem is that we are using the military to fight terrorism. This is the reason we are running into all of these problems. Terrorism is already codified in the United States:
    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_113B.html
    catching and preventing terrorist is the job of federal law enforcement officials with ultimate jurisdiction falling under the federal district courts. Law enforcement is not a job for the military.

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20. • Hotfuzz

    @cGt2099
    I agree that there should be accountability. No President is above US law and the Constitution. 9-11 has taken us as a nation down a path in history that I believe has opened the door to losing more personal freedoms. As far as the pardoning thing...I will have to agree to disagree with some of you. I think Bush did what he though was necessary to protect this nation.

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21. • onreact.com

    He should be then tried for being responsible for the bankruptcy of the US economy.

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22. • Savoy6

    Seriously though are we surprised by this? I'm not, we don't live in a free world anymore the world stopped being free a long time ago. I live in the UK and everyday I see more and more that makes 1984 look like a guide to the country rather than a film.

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23. • Honest_Ape

    Greg actually has a missus? Mind = blown.

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24. • vernacular_ninja

    @Hotfuzz The problem is 9-11 has given this administration a free pass in many instances when it comes to legislation that should have every American hollering at the White House gates. I don't disagree that to some degree we have to be vigilant in preventing additional attacks, but it doesn't require continued occupancy in the Middle East. Look, no one has invaded U.S. soil in over 200 years. We spend so much time sprinkling our troops all over the world, that we forget, or choose to ignore, how to manage domestic issues. That's why most people don't like Bush. It's his arrogance and fear mongering that I don't like, and I imagine many of his detractors share similar opinions. He is terrible president... and I don't think there is much positive left to argue in his or his administration's favor.

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25. • Hotfuzz

    @vernacular_ninja
    Come on, "Fear mongering"? You heard that on CNN! But, to counter-point myself I repeat things from FOX News too... lol Anyway, please don't take my comments the wrong way guys. I am all about a fierce debate:) I don't necessarily disagree with all of you but I am known to play the devils advocate at times.

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26. • exMixxer

    @Honest_Ape

    that's funny... :)

    but yeah, he's got a missus ;)

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27. • vernacular_ninja

    @Hotfuzz Actually, I think CNN heard it from me, but we won't argue the minor details.... and as far as fear mongering goes, just look back at legislation post 9-11, or the current administration's determination to convince every America that this $2 trillion war is a necessary evil for our protection. Right... tell that to Al Qaeda as their presence and strength multiplies in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq, to name just a few. Take the money we've blown on democratizing the Middle East and you just fixed every single inner-city hospital and school in the country, provided universal health care, rebuilt New Orleans, and still have change to spare. Yet, voters seems to still think that national security is the most important issue in this election and beyond. What does that say about the gullibility of Americans? That they are so damn afraid of terrorism that they've all but ignored the issues that are tearing this country apart from within, especially our foreign diplomacy.

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